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		<title>by: MarissaS</title>
		<link>http://roxcy.synthian.org/2006/07/28/curing-your-kids/#comment-1757</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 05:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&#62; I have never liked hearing a parent say about an unborn
&#62; child, “I just want this child to be healthy.” Do you love
&#62; the child any less because he/she is unhealthy?

Have you ever been told that your unborn child has a birth defect? I have. 
I don't love him less because of it, I simply love him enough to wish he hadn't been born missing an organ. There isn't much worse as a parent than knowing your child has a problem you can't fix, especially when they are tiny, newborn, and helpless. We want our children to have good lives, and even though struggles, emotional or physical, are part of life, we certainly wouldn't wish them upon our kids. It seems illogical that someone would say they hope for an unhealthy child.</description>
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&gt; child, “I just want this child to be healthy.” Do you love<br />
&gt; the child any less because he/she is unhealthy?</p>
<p>Have you ever been told that your unborn child has a birth defect? I have.<br />
I don&#8217;t love him less because of it, I simply love him enough to wish he hadn&#8217;t been born missing an organ. There isn&#8217;t much worse as a parent than knowing your child has a problem you can&#8217;t fix, especially when they are tiny, newborn, and helpless. We want our children to have good lives, and even though struggles, emotional or physical, are part of life, we certainly wouldn&#8217;t wish them upon our kids. It seems illogical that someone would say they hope for an unhealthy child.
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		<title>by: JKS</title>
		<link>http://roxcy.synthian.org/2006/07/28/curing-your-kids/#comment-1718</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Audrey, lol, yes.  My husband came home from work one day asked kissed our youngest and asked why she smelled like trout.  I know there are non-fish oil EFAs, but when I did research a few years ago, I was led to believe that there was a higher concentration in what I was buying.  My kids don't mind eating it because I give them gummy bear vitamins afterwards.

Eric, if my kid was deaf I would get cochlear implants.
I just think there is a fine line between wishing the best for your children and wishing they were different.  If you really love them, you have to stop and think about whether they will feel that love if they feel you wish they were different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Audrey, lol, yes.  My husband came home from work one day asked kissed our youngest and asked why she smelled like trout.  I know there are non-fish oil EFAs, but when I did research a few years ago, I was led to believe that there was a higher concentration in what I was buying.  My kids don&#8217;t mind eating it because I give them gummy bear vitamins afterwards.</p>
<p>Eric, if my kid was deaf I would get cochlear implants.<br />
I just think there is a fine line between wishing the best for your children and wishing they were different.  If you really love them, you have to stop and think about whether they will feel that love if they feel you wish they were different.
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		<title>by: Eric James Stone</title>
		<link>http://roxcy.synthian.org/2006/07/28/curing-your-kids/#comment-1717</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 20:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&#62; I have never liked hearing a parent say about an unborn
&#62; child, “I just want this child to be healthy.” Do you love
&#62; the child any less because he/she is unhealthy? Perhaps this
&#62; is the same thing. Some people think that statement means
&#62; wanting what is best for the child, some people means it is
&#62; a rejection of imperfection in your child as well as
&#62; rejection of the child. I fall in the latter category so I
&#62; never said it.

I think you may have hit on what's causing our disagreement.

Of course a parent should love a child the same whether it's healthy or not.  But I don't see wishing a child were healthier as a rejection of the child.

Maybe it's just my way of thinking.  The reason I responded so strongly is it looked to me when i first read your post as if you were endorsing the same type of logic that leads some people in the deaf community to reject the idea of cochlear implants or to intentionally try to have deaf children.  (How dare anyone try to take the deafness away and "cure" deaf people?)  I think that's an extremely wrongheaded approach in the deaf community, and I don't think it makes much sense in other contexts.

When I was on my mission, I lived next door to a family that had an adult son who was autistic to the point that his only verbal communication was a sort of groan.  I'm sure his mother loved him.  From my point of view, there would be nothing wrong in her wishing he could actually talk.  I would not think she loved her son any less just because she wished to hear her son speak to her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I have never liked hearing a parent say about an unborn<br />
&gt; child, “I just want this child to be healthy.” Do you love<br />
&gt; the child any less because he/she is unhealthy? Perhaps this<br />
&gt; is the same thing. Some people think that statement means<br />
&gt; wanting what is best for the child, some people means it is<br />
&gt; a rejection of imperfection in your child as well as<br />
&gt; rejection of the child. I fall in the latter category so I<br />
&gt; never said it.</p>
<p>I think you may have hit on what&#8217;s causing our disagreement.</p>
<p>Of course a parent should love a child the same whether it&#8217;s healthy or not.  But I don&#8217;t see wishing a child were healthier as a rejection of the child.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just my way of thinking.  The reason I responded so strongly is it looked to me when i first read your post as if you were endorsing the same type of logic that leads some people in the deaf community to reject the idea of cochlear implants or to intentionally try to have deaf children.  (How dare anyone try to take the deafness away and &#8220;cure&#8221; deaf people?)  I think that&#8217;s an extremely wrongheaded approach in the deaf community, and I don&#8217;t think it makes much sense in other contexts.</p>
<p>When I was on my mission, I lived next door to a family that had an adult son who was autistic to the point that his only verbal communication was a sort of groan.  I&#8217;m sure his mother loved him.  From my point of view, there would be nothing wrong in her wishing he could actually talk.  I would not think she loved her son any less just because she wished to hear her son speak to her.
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		<title>by: AudreyTX</title>
		<link>http://roxcy.synthian.org/2006/07/28/curing-your-kids/#comment-1715</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 14:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>JKS - Your children smell like trout?  There are non-fish extract alternatives for Omega fatty acids, but they are more expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JKS - Your children smell like trout?  There are non-fish extract alternatives for Omega fatty acids, but they are more expensive.
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		<title>by: JKS</title>
		<link>http://roxcy.synthian.org/2006/07/28/curing-your-kids/#comment-1713</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 00:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ana - I've been thinking about what you said about him needing to conform.  Since there is no "cure" for ADHD you do your best to manage it.  Don't feel guilty if right now you think medication is the best course.  Like my thyroid disease (no cure) there are many options for treatment.  You just have to go with what seems like the best decision at the moment.  Every once in a while you re-evaluate how it is going and if you should do things differently.
It sounds like you've looked at the pros and cons.  If right now it seems like the right choice, don't feel bad!  And if down the road you make a different choice because things have changed, that is ok too.
Realizing that even treating my thyroid disease isn't cut and dried really made me realize that treating depression or adhd isn't a black and white issue and you don't make a permanent decision anyway so you need to adjust treatment based on new circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ana - I&#8217;ve been thinking about what you said about him needing to conform.  Since there is no &#8220;cure&#8221; for ADHD you do your best to manage it.  Don&#8217;t feel guilty if right now you think medication is the best course.  Like my thyroid disease (no cure) there are many options for treatment.  You just have to go with what seems like the best decision at the moment.  Every once in a while you re-evaluate how it is going and if you should do things differently.<br />
It sounds like you&#8217;ve looked at the pros and cons.  If right now it seems like the right choice, don&#8217;t feel bad!  And if down the road you make a different choice because things have changed, that is ok too.<br />
Realizing that even treating my thyroid disease isn&#8217;t cut and dried really made me realize that treating depression or adhd isn&#8217;t a black and white issue and you don&#8217;t make a permanent decision anyway so you need to adjust treatment based on new circumstances.
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		<title>by: JKS</title>
		<link>http://roxcy.synthian.org/2006/07/28/curing-your-kids/#comment-1712</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 00:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"I think a parent can dare to wish a child’s future to be different than it might otherwise be. "

Eric, I've already responded somewhat, but I want to keep responding to this statement.  I think parents should do their best with what they have to work with (resources, medical intervention, circumstances, etc.) and give the best future possible for their child.  However, our children's futures are not perfect.
In the July Ensign there is an article about a girl who was raped.  This tragedy caused many problems in her life.  Her parents had to adjust their mindset about their daughter's future.  When life "happens" you have to change your idea of your child's future.  You can't hold on to the dreams you had before your children were even born.
Perhaps this is a no-brainer for some parents.  But for others they have to face this idea that their children aren't perfect and their children will have pain and experience failures and disappointments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think a parent can dare to wish a child’s future to be different than it might otherwise be. &#8221;</p>
<p>Eric, I&#8217;ve already responded somewhat, but I want to keep responding to this statement.  I think parents should do their best with what they have to work with (resources, medical intervention, circumstances, etc.) and give the best future possible for their child.  However, our children&#8217;s futures are not perfect.<br />
In the July Ensign there is an article about a girl who was raped.  This tragedy caused many problems in her life.  Her parents had to adjust their mindset about their daughter&#8217;s future.  When life &#8220;happens&#8221; you have to change your idea of your child&#8217;s future.  You can&#8217;t hold on to the dreams you had before your children were even born.<br />
Perhaps this is a no-brainer for some parents.  But for others they have to face this idea that their children aren&#8217;t perfect and their children will have pain and experience failures and disappointments.
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		<title>by: JKS</title>
		<link>http://roxcy.synthian.org/2006/07/28/curing-your-kids/#comment-1711</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 23:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have never liked hearing a parent say about an unborn child, "I just want this child to be healthy."  Do you love the child any less because he/she is unhealthy?  Perhaps this is the same thing.  Some people think that statement means wanting what is best for the child, some people means it is a rejection of imperfection in your child as well as rejection of the child.  I fall in the latter category so I never said it.
Read the link I gave above in #7.  Like the author of that article, if there was a "pill" to "cure" him I would give it to my son.  I have given him everything I can to help him.
It is the wishing he were different that is the real problem.  How do you react to parents thinking the following about their own children:
"If she had only been taller, she would have been a great basketball player."
"If he had been a little more good looking, he could have a girlfriend."
"If she weren't so introverted she could be a salesperson."
"If he hadn't made that big mistake at work he'd be running the company by now."
"If only she didn't have a weight problem, she'd be married by now."
"If he just needed less sleep he could accomplish so much more with his life."

I don't want to look at my children and think that "If only he was better at ......" or "If only she wasn't so......"

I go ahead and give my children all the advantages I can.  They smell like trout because I give them fish oil because it helps the brain.  But speech therapy or fish oil or a cure isn't the point of my post.  The point of my post is that whether my son goes through life with no speech therapy or with an operation that cures him, he is my son and will experience his life from his own viewpoint.
My daughter has tons of energy and initiative.  This is both a good thing and a bad thing.  My son is less assertive.  This can be a good thing and a bad thing.
I have multiple children.  If I wished away their weaknesses and could give them all the same strengths, I would have clones.  They are individuals, though, and I love their whole package.  I think that we should remember that when wishing things away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never liked hearing a parent say about an unborn child, &#8220;I just want this child to be healthy.&#8221;  Do you love the child any less because he/she is unhealthy?  Perhaps this is the same thing.  Some people think that statement means wanting what is best for the child, some people means it is a rejection of imperfection in your child as well as rejection of the child.  I fall in the latter category so I never said it.<br />
Read the link I gave above in #7.  Like the author of that article, if there was a &#8220;pill&#8221; to &#8220;cure&#8221; him I would give it to my son.  I have given him everything I can to help him.<br />
It is the wishing he were different that is the real problem.  How do you react to parents thinking the following about their own children:<br />
&#8220;If she had only been taller, she would have been a great basketball player.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;If he had been a little more good looking, he could have a girlfriend.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;If she weren&#8217;t so introverted she could be a salesperson.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;If he hadn&#8217;t made that big mistake at work he&#8217;d be running the company by now.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;If only she didn&#8217;t have a weight problem, she&#8217;d be married by now.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;If he just needed less sleep he could accomplish so much more with his life.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to look at my children and think that &#8220;If only he was better at &#8230;&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;If only she wasn&#8217;t so&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I go ahead and give my children all the advantages I can.  They smell like trout because I give them fish oil because it helps the brain.  But speech therapy or fish oil or a cure isn&#8217;t the point of my post.  The point of my post is that whether my son goes through life with no speech therapy or with an operation that cures him, he is my son and will experience his life from his own viewpoint.<br />
My daughter has tons of energy and initiative.  This is both a good thing and a bad thing.  My son is less assertive.  This can be a good thing and a bad thing.<br />
I have multiple children.  If I wished away their weaknesses and could give them all the same strengths, I would have clones.  They are individuals, though, and I love their whole package.  I think that we should remember that when wishing things away.
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		<title>by: Eric James Stone</title>
		<link>http://roxcy.synthian.org/2006/07/28/curing-your-kids/#comment-1708</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&#62; As the years go by, I will not be able to separate my son
&#62; from his weaknesses; they will be a part of him as much as
&#62; his amazing strengths are. His unique experiences as he
&#62; deals with his successes and failures will influence the
&#62; person he will become. How dare anyone try to take those
&#62; away from him and “cure” him? And how dare I as a parent
&#62; ever tell him I wish he were different?

I'm afraid I have to disagree.

Your son's weaknesses may shape him, but they are not an essential part of his identity.  If those weaknesses were to disappear spontaneously, would you say, "This is no longer my child?"  I don't think so.

Look at the opposite situation: Assume you had a child who was permanently injured in an accident.  The weaknesses resulting from the accident would influence the person that child would become.  Would that child somehow be less your child because their development takes a different course after the accident than it would have otherwise?  I don't think so.

Helen Keller developed to be the person she was due to her blindness and deafness.  If she hadn't gotten that infaction as a small child, her life would have been very different.  Yet if a cure for her blindness and deafness had been found, I would not ask her mother how dare she try to "cure" her child.

In John 9, the Savior healed the sight of a man who was born blind.  Did that man stop being who he was?  No--his life had been shaped by being blind to that point, and that past would continue to affect him in the future.  But his future development would also be affected by his having sight.

Change comes to people's lives.  If a cure for a child's weaknesses is found, something that would allow the child wider opportunities in this life, it doesn't change who the child is. It doesn't take away a child's past successes and failures. It changes what strengths and weaknesses--what successes and failured--will affect the child's future development.  And for that, I think a parent can dare to wish a child's future to be different than it might otherwise be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; As the years go by, I will not be able to separate my son<br />
&gt; from his weaknesses; they will be a part of him as much as<br />
&gt; his amazing strengths are. His unique experiences as he<br />
&gt; deals with his successes and failures will influence the<br />
&gt; person he will become. How dare anyone try to take those<br />
&gt; away from him and “cure” him? And how dare I as a parent<br />
&gt; ever tell him I wish he were different?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid I have to disagree.</p>
<p>Your son&#8217;s weaknesses may shape him, but they are not an essential part of his identity.  If those weaknesses were to disappear spontaneously, would you say, &#8220;This is no longer my child?&#8221;  I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Look at the opposite situation: Assume you had a child who was permanently injured in an accident.  The weaknesses resulting from the accident would influence the person that child would become.  Would that child somehow be less your child because their development takes a different course after the accident than it would have otherwise?  I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Helen Keller developed to be the person she was due to her blindness and deafness.  If she hadn&#8217;t gotten that infaction as a small child, her life would have been very different.  Yet if a cure for her blindness and deafness had been found, I would not ask her mother how dare she try to &#8220;cure&#8221; her child.</p>
<p>In John 9, the Savior healed the sight of a man who was born blind.  Did that man stop being who he was?  No&#8211;his life had been shaped by being blind to that point, and that past would continue to affect him in the future.  But his future development would also be affected by his having sight.</p>
<p>Change comes to people&#8217;s lives.  If a cure for a child&#8217;s weaknesses is found, something that would allow the child wider opportunities in this life, it doesn&#8217;t change who the child is. It doesn&#8217;t take away a child&#8217;s past successes and failures. It changes what strengths and weaknesses&#8211;what successes and failured&#8211;will affect the child&#8217;s future development.  And for that, I think a parent can dare to wish a child&#8217;s future to be different than it might otherwise be.
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		<title>by: JKS</title>
		<link>http://roxcy.synthian.org/2006/07/28/curing-your-kids/#comment-1707</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>THanks for all the responses.  There are a lot of good ideas here.  I posted on this topic because my son's situation forced me to view things in a new way.  What exactly is my job as a parent?  To help my child reach his potential, as Karen said.  The fact that every child's mortal potential is different, doesn't change your role.
Spiritual potential is a little bit more of a mystery.  I don't exactly know how this mortal experience prepares us for the next life.  I do think that all of us are "limited" because we are human.  Whether we are talking physical limitations or cognitive or emotional, or the fact that we all make mistakes.
We are asked to learn here on earth, and I know we will take what we learn when we move on.  I think, however, that most of our mortal limitations will be removed.  I think Kristy's Asperger's cousin, for instance, will not be the "same" after he is resurrected, he will be a better version of himself.  I have faith that I will be a better version of myself.
We don't have that many details about what continued process and development we will go through after death and after resurrection, but I am convinced that it is more than our mortal existance.
I don't know why exactly some people come to earth and live only a short time, or in difficult circumstances.  I think we knew this, and God obviously thinks it has to be this way.  
To continue what Stephanie brought up, Satan's plan probably included us living exactly 80 years with no health problem and having exactly 100 IQ tests and being equally attractive and talented in all areas, with no tragedy or sorrow in our life.  But for some reason this was not the best way for us to develop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THanks for all the responses.  There are a lot of good ideas here.  I posted on this topic because my son&#8217;s situation forced me to view things in a new way.  What exactly is my job as a parent?  To help my child reach his potential, as Karen said.  The fact that every child&#8217;s mortal potential is different, doesn&#8217;t change your role.<br />
Spiritual potential is a little bit more of a mystery.  I don&#8217;t exactly know how this mortal experience prepares us for the next life.  I do think that all of us are &#8220;limited&#8221; because we are human.  Whether we are talking physical limitations or cognitive or emotional, or the fact that we all make mistakes.<br />
We are asked to learn here on earth, and I know we will take what we learn when we move on.  I think, however, that most of our mortal limitations will be removed.  I think Kristy&#8217;s Asperger&#8217;s cousin, for instance, will not be the &#8220;same&#8221; after he is resurrected, he will be a better version of himself.  I have faith that I will be a better version of myself.<br />
We don&#8217;t have that many details about what continued process and development we will go through after death and after resurrection, but I am convinced that it is more than our mortal existance.<br />
I don&#8217;t know why exactly some people come to earth and live only a short time, or in difficult circumstances.  I think we knew this, and God obviously thinks it has to be this way.<br />
To continue what Stephanie brought up, Satan&#8217;s plan probably included us living exactly 80 years with no health problem and having exactly 100 IQ tests and being equally attractive and talented in all areas, with no tragedy or sorrow in our life.  But for some reason this was not the best way for us to develop.
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		<title>by: JKS</title>
		<link>http://roxcy.synthian.org/2006/07/28/curing-your-kids/#comment-1706</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 20:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have put a hold on "A Slant of Sun" at the library.  Thanks for the book recommendation, Kristine.</description>
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